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November 3rd, 2011

What’s the best for ISO: Flowcharts or procedures?

Procedures!

There is a lot of debate about the use of flowcharts and the degree of documentation necessary for an ISO project.

ISO flowcharts versus proceduresCommon misconceptions are that ISO requires only a minimum amount of documentation and thus you should try to have as little documentation as possible, and that flowcharts provide an adequate way of describing a process and thus meet ISO requirements. These myths have been propagated by poor auditors who allow inadequate procedures, however documented, but typically flowcharts. Also there has been an upsurge in Lean and Six Sigma training which frequently tends to denigrate the benefits of ISO (and in some cases is justified but not in principle and not generally) and substantially supports the use of flowcharts to define and describe processes.

Flowcharts have their place. Their goal in Lean and Six Sigma project is to provide enough information to allow an understanding of the process to perhaps look for waste or opportunity. Sometimes these flowcharts have considerable detail including timing information, production rates and other information. These flowcharts are great for that purpose.

ISO requires that processes are defined and that those processes meet certain requirements. A flowchart tends to be general in nature and so to be able to prove that the ISO requirements have been met, additional information has to be added to a general flowchart of the process in question. Sometimes this means adding extra boxes to describe the detail of the requirement. Then all of a sudden, a nice general flowchart with boxes of similar detail, have a couple of boxes that are out of context because they are provide substantial detail. For instance, three boxes might be “plan the activity”, “issue instructions” and “review results”. The ISO box might require “record details and person authorizing the release of the job”.

By the time you have added extra boxes for all of the ISO requirements the flow is broken.

Another approach is to add notes to side of the flow chart and associate them with the box. So now the note about “record details….” would be a note at the side related to the “review” box. This works and the flowchart can remain general or at least consistent in level of detail. Truth is that this is also potentially confusing. The box and notes are not often next to each other and thus referencing and cross referencing makes it different for the understanding to flow with the simplicity of the flowchart. Moreover, if the notes are going to be in sufficient detail to actually describe what the activity is (in order to meet the ISO requirement) then it might as well have been written in full as a procedure anyway.

Flowcharts provide a few key benefits. The provide a simple overview of processes. But they need to be consistent in level of detail, decision boxes cant be contrived (just to make the flowchart worthwhile) and they should ideally fit on one page – or you lose that special benefit of being able to see the whole process.

Obviously all of these issues must be taken with a “pinch of salt” but the bottom line is that if you are trying to create a comprehensive management system, documented procedures are the best way to do it.

Cavendish Scott has been consulting, auditing and training in ISO management system processes and systems since 1985 and has limitless experience of documenting systems, processes and activities. We can also provide training on documenting and implementing ISO management systems.

August 4th, 2011

I am going to be involved in getting ISO. What is the best training course for me?

There are obviously many training classes out there but there are commonly three or four types.

Firstly there are the auditing classes: internal auditor and lead auditor.  Then there are implementation classes and awareness classes.

The awareness classes tend to be introductory and very general in nature.  Someone would understand what ISO is but wouldn’t be able to audit or manage an ISO project, for instance.  It might be useful for management or generally for all personnel.

Implementation classes do exist but they are rare.  Many people who embark on ISO have consultants or do it themselves from previous experience.  Thus these courses run only infrequently.  Although trainers publicize them, they don’t always run.  It is also important to remember that this is a substantial and complex subject and frankly a few days’ training is not really adequate to cover it well.  It might be a good introduction but it is unlikely to be all that is needed.

Auditing courses are more common.  This is because all ISO organizations need to do auditing and so there is quite a need to train auditors.

Lead auditing is a professional audit course that is “needed” by all certification body auditors.  It is popular with ISO project managers and implementation teams because it gives them an understanding of ISO from the point of view of their auditor.  Theoretically it trains them to understand the standard just as well.  The course is 5 days, detailed and intensive.  There is lots of content and it provides the best possible situation for providing in-house expertise.  In our lead auditor training course we constantly present the issues from the perspective of implementing ISO as well as auditing it — they are different perspectives.

Accredited ISO lead auditor classes (e.g. IRCA) are recognized worldwide and are a meaningful qualification to organizations (so it looks good on the resume).

Because the lead auditor class is so beneficial and “desirable” it is more likely to be available and is generally more popular.  Without hesitation it is the class that is most useful to the broadest number of people.

 

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June 10th, 2011

My document control procedure may not meet all the requirements of ISO, but I have third level work instructions that do. Is that OK?

Technically yes. ISO requires that you have processes and procedures describing these processes but it doesn’t tell you how to document them. It is thus conforming if your complete process is spread over a number of different documents. However, this is unlikely to be a very useful structure to your documentation and probably does not make the documents effective at defining and communicating the process.

There structures can originate from many situations but typically when the procedure was written, the author was trying to “get ISO” and that’s what they did. The easy way for them to do it was to write a procedure that just mimicked the words in the standard. Thus the procedure meets ISO. Unfortunately it really doesn’t describe the actual processes that are followed to achieve say document control and thus often work instructions are written to explain the different activities — so although they are called work instructions and third level documents they often describe the management processes that would normally be in a procedure. Usually they also contain detail too. That alone would be bad enough, but over the years auditors, customers and others change the procedures and work instructions to suit their needs and what is left is a complex set of documents to describe a simple process, at different levels and containing both detail and management processes.

The goal of documentation is not just to achieve conformance by saying “we have addressed it somewhere” but to focus on what would be the most useful structure of our documentation so that it is easy to communicate the process, to train people in it and to refer to it if we need to.

ISO is such a useful standard. It focuses on the processes for “managing” the activities it introduces. It is the management of document control that is important in clauses 4.2.3 and this can practically be presented in a single document at an appropriate level of detail. ISO got it about right when they included the requirements under each section. Covering these requirements, expanding those that are more important and minimizing those that are less (if any) can be practically achieved in a single document. Thus it is a useful hint (not particularly just for ISO conformance but also for addressing the most common document control requirements) that these subjects could (and perhaps should — because it is useful and practical) be described in a single procedure.

It is still possible that some work instructions are necessary. Typically these would cover the detail of a specific activity but the “management procedure” (the procedure which explains how the process is managed), should describe the overall process including relevant variations and exceptions. How to operate software or levels of authorities would be better covered in lower level documents.

June 3rd, 2010

Should I do Lean and Six Sigma before I do ISO?

The simple answer is no!

The philosophies behind these disciplines are fundamentally different.  ISO is about establishing a defined way of running the whole business so that it is effective and successful.  Lean is about eliminating (seven types of) waste from processes and is usually applied as a project based philosophy to production type processes.  Six Sigma is also a project based philosophy with the reduction of variation being its main goal.

Although Lean and Six Sigma purists will claim that these techniques apply to the whole organization (and truthfully they can be), they are normally applied to a single process (at a time) where a variety of techniques are applied to reduce waste, reduce variability and increase efficiency.  Such tools as Kanban, one-piece-flow, standard work, tact time, 5S, statistical techniques, etc. are applied to and around the process in order to achieve improvement.  While these techniques can be applied to combined processes and even the management system of the organization as a whole, nowhere in the origins of these philosophies is there discussion about an organizational model or a breakdown of key processes that is found in ISO.

“Doing” ISO first will establish basic definitions for all processes in the organization including fundamental controls for such things as record keeping and document control.  Once the basic discipline exists within an organization, Lean and Six Sigma can be successfully applied to improve individual areas.

There are no big problems with doing Lean and Six Sigma before ISO.  It is possible that during ISO you will reorganize the way that your processes operate (as you define what they are and what they are trying to achieve) and this could cause effort in a Lean or Six Sigma project to be wasted – although the same could be said about an ISO project.  However,  ISO establishes processes for document control, records management, corrective action, competency definition, and management responsibilities that would be extremely beneficial during any project – including Lean and Six Sigma projects.  It is not unusual for a Lean or Six Sigma project to become “lost” when it does not use established document control, competency control and records management processes.

ISO is intended to provide a fundamental base to organizing a business.  Operating by design and not by accident.  While it does then actually require organizations to improve, it does not restrict how that is achieved.  To many people rush off to the promise of a Lean or Six Sigma project without strong basics in place.

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Lean Manufacturing (From Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing

Lean manufacturing or lean production, often simply, “Lean,” is a production practice that considers the expenditure of resources for any goal other than the creation of value for the end customer to be wasteful, and thus a target for elimination. Working from the perspective of the customer who consumes a product or service, “value” is defined as any action or process that a customer would be willing to pay for. Basically, lean is centered on preserving value with less work. Lean manufacturing is a generic process management philosophy derived mostly from the Toyota Production System (TPS) (hence the term Toyotism is also prevalent) and identified as “Lean” only in the 1990s.[1] [2] It is renowned for its focus on reduction of the original Toyota seven wastes to improve overall customer value, but there are varying perspectives on how this is best achieved.

Six Sigma (From Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Sigma

Six Sigma is a business management strategy originally developed by Motorola, USA in 1981.[1] As of 2010[update], it enjoys widespread application in many sectors of industry, although its application is not without controversy.

Six Sigma seeks to improve the quality of process outputs by identifying and removing the causes of defects (errors) and minimizing variability in manufacturing and business processes.[2] It uses a set of quality management methods, including statistical methods, and creates a special infrastructure of people within the organization (“Black Belts”, “Green Belts”, etc.) who are experts in these methods.[2] Each Six Sigma project carried out within an organization follows a defined sequence of steps and has quantified targets. These targets can be financial (cost reduction or profit increase) or whatever is critical to the customer of that process (cycle time, safety, delivery, etc.).[2]

The term six sigma originated from terminology associated with manufacturing, specifically terms associated with statistical modeling of manufacturing processes. The maturity of a manufacturing process can be described by a sigma rating indicating its yield, or the percentage of defect-free products it creates. A six-sigma process is one in which 99.99966% of the products manufactured are free of defects, compared to a one-sigma process in which only 31% are free of defects. Motorola set a goal of “six sigmas” for all of its manufacturing operations and this goal became a byword for the management and engineering practices used to achieve it.

 

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January 12th, 2010

Do I have to do my Internal Audits every year?

Simple answer. Yes.

Although it does not say in the standard, this is a common sense requirement that has been established as a rule imposed on certification bodies by the accreditation agencies.

Technically once you have audited thoroughly for a “few” years you might have collected evidence that will allow you to reduce the amount of auditing.  In practice this rarely happens.

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